April 20th, 2006

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Timeline proves innocence

Well, it looks like the fucking DA has a lot to answer for after this last round of evidence about hte duke lacrosse case. It seems that rather than simply proving a lack of guilt, the preponderance of the evidence is now showing that at least one of the players is innocent completely. I don't know what sort of moron investigators the DA has working for him but it's ridiculous that none of them found out about this earlier. Here's the timeline that I've compiled from various news sources into a whole. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.


11:02:36 p.m. Timestamped Photo: Men are sitting around the house. Many have plastic cups in their hands.

11:08:28 p.m. Timestamped Photo: Men throw their arms in the air as if they are cheering and posing for the camera.

11:09:25 p.m. Timestamped Photo: A closer picture of a few men posing for the camera.

12:00:12 a.m. Timestamped Photo: The first picture of the dancers. The accuser, wearing pink and white lace lingerie, is lying face down on the floor.

12:00:21 a.m. Timestamped Photo: The accuser and the second dancer are dancing together.

12:00:29 a.m. Timestamped Photo: Dancers are performing. The accuser has what looks like bruising on her knees. Her right shoe is missing from her foot. It can be seen in the background.

12:00:40 a.m. Timestamped Photo: The two dancers are performing. A crowd of about 15 men is visible in the photo. The men are sitting on couches. They are not showing much reaction.

12:02:16 a.m. Timestamped Photo: The accuser is on top of the second dancer. The accuser's right thumbnail does not have a fingernail or polish on it. Her right pinky nail also does not have a nail. The men are smiling. The dancers are smiling.

12:02:46 a.m. Timestamped Photo: A young man, who appears to be passed out, sitting in a chair.

12:03:57 a.m. Timestamped Photo: The dancers by the door. The accuser's right shoe is on the floor. The men in the room are sitting.

12:10:39 a.m. Timestamped Photo: A young man passed out. His shorts are slightly pulled down.

12:14 a.m. Phone Record: Seligmann calls cab company for cab.

12:19 a.m. Statement by Seligmann and Cabbie: Cab arrives.

12:24 a.m. Timestamped Security Camera: Shows Seligmann making a withdrawl from an ATM miles away.

12:?? a.m. Statement by Seligmann and Cabbie: Cab swings by a drive-through hamburger stand where the passangers pick up food.

12:30:12 a.m. Timestamped Photo: The accuser is on the back steps of the house, alone. Her right shoe is off. She has a purse.

12:30:34 a.m. Timestamped Photo: The accuser is still on the back steps of the house.

12:30:34 a.m. Timestamped Photo: The accuser is still on the back steps of the house.

12:30:47 a.m. Timestamped Photo: The accuser is on the stairwell of the back steps. Her mouth is open and her teeth are showing.

12:30 a.m. Witness Statement: Next door neighbor notes that the accuser exited the house and then re-entered.

12:3? a.m. Statement by Accuser: Rape begins in bathroom.

12:37:58 a.m. Timestamped Photo: The accuser is lying on her back on the back stairs. She has a cut on her right foot. She has cuts on her right butt cheek. The stair rail has pink spots on it.

12:38:07 a.m. Timestamped Photo: The accuser is lying on the back steps. A tan object can be seen in the background.

12:38:18 a.m. Timestamped Photo: The accuser is still on the ground.

12:41:32 a.m. Timestamped Photo: The accuser is seen getting into a black Honda Accord.

12:46 a.m. Timestamped Swipe Card: Seligmann enters his dorm, cabbie statement says he watched seligmann enter.

12:53 a.m. Timestamped 911 Call: Second stripper makes call to 911 claiming that as she was driving past, people at the house made racial slurs.

12:58 a.m. Police Dispatch: Officers arrive to find no party.

12:5? a.m. Statement by Accuser: Rape ends 30 minutes after it begins.

1:22 a.m. Timestamped 911 Call: Call from a Kroger's saying that a woman refuses to get out another person's car.

1:2? a.m. Statement by Security Guard: Woman in car appeared to be passed out drunk but fine.

1:?? a.m. Police Dispatch: Officers arrive.

So there it is. So can anyone see a way around this where it dosen't show that the accuser's story is full of crap? I mean seriously. If the DA really went to a grand jury without even doing the most basic amount of investigation that would have uncovered this, he should be fired immediately. The stuff with the cabbie completely rips apart the prosecution timeline. There's nothing left of it short of some gigantic conspiracy theory where the whiteys are all in on it, bribing a cabbie and cab company to enter into a spree of evidence fabrication. They would also have had to gotten the bank manager at the ATM in on it and someone to mess with Duke's ID swipe system, but I wouldn't be surprised if some whackjobs out there actually believes that's possible.



As posted in the comment section, there's been some questions about whether the rape occured before or after 12:30am of that night. In my timeline I have it listed as after because this seems to be what the police themselves believe in their interpretion of the evidence, though it of course could be erroneous.

A document attached to an application for a search warrant in the case said "the victim and her fellow dancer decided to leave because they were concerned for their safety."

The report said "one of the suspects" left the house, apologized and persuaded the women to go back inside.

A neighbor who reportedly saw what was going on said that interaction took place about 12:30 a.m., according to a written statement to police that was provided to CNN by a source with knowledge of the case.


On the off-chance that it is claimed the rape occurred before 12:30am, this would mean that the strippers stopped dancing at 12:04 at the earliest (time of the last timestamp), went outside to the car, got convinced to come back inside, were seperated, the accuser was the raped, and all in time for Seligmann to be picked up by the cab at 12:19. Of course, during this time he also makes a few phone calls, some assumably in the midst of the rape. It means the timeline is even more problematic from that point of view, making it even less likely a rape occurred. Teasing apart the timeline for the various elements leaves very little time for an assault, and would have to mean that assorted telephone calls took place in the middle of it.

At least on the backend of 12:30 am, there's a timeline gap of 12 open minutes with no intervening events. Of course, to believe Seligmann guilty of that you would have to believe he could travel from his dorm to the house, rape the girl with the others, and then manage to race away before the officers arrived to find the place empty.
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Victims of the world unite!

Well, it seems that my little effort to put together a timeline has not met with rousing appreciation, at least from the rabid 'GUILTY! GUILTY!' crowd. After putting it together I went to a couple of blogs that have been following the case and posted it up to see what others thought. In one I stumbled across abyss2hope, the writer had floated some other timeline speculations that were just completely off. I mean, when your speculation runs afoul of what the accuser and 2nd stripper themselves stated to police, it's a fair bet you're not going to get very far arguing that a crime occurred. I posted a response that contained the timeline only to have it deleted almost immediately. I wasn't even offensive or arguementative or anything. Sorta makes me wish I had just brought out the flame thrower from the get go but it also made me curious why someone who was supposedly asking questions about the event's timeline would just go and delete a comment from someone willing to discuss it.

Well, looking around the page a little more it seems pretty clear. Here's her 'bio':

I'm a writer and novelist who has viewed the world from a slightly off-center perspective ever since date rape at 15 jolted me from being a rule-following innocent into my new being as a rule-breaking cynic with a razor-sharp tongue. Twenty years of silence about why I changed overnight was followed by 9 plus years as a volunteer victim's advocate. In my first novel, Cherry Love, I put readers in my shoes so they can gain a deep understanding of the attitudes that keep date rape alive and unwell.

Well that figures. At worst she's some sort of emotionally screwed up basket case with feminazi tendancies viewing the world as one giant proxy battle from her past. At best, she's obviously got a stake in believing every single rape accuser out there, even when the facts might not fit. I've often thought to myself that nutjobs like this should be forced to wear a sign or other identifying mark in real life so that you know what you're going to get into before they spaz out on you. Here's a case where the 'sign' was there right on the blog and I overlooked it. My mistake. I don't know about her claims to have a 'razor sharp tongue' since all I've seen so far is a thin skin and a inclination to hide her head in the sand.

Looks like I'm still having my comments deleted. It always amazes me the lengths that some people will go to to avoid information contrary to what they believe. Frankly, I prefer to argue, debate, scream and curse about issues but for others it might just be upseting to be challenged on what they believe. Certainly I've yet to see any of the supposed rebel with the razor-sharp tongue in this case.
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Props when deserved

First, my apologies for using the word 'props' but for some reason that's the first word that came to my mind. As a punishment to my brain for having come up with it, I'm going to keep the word there instead of replacing it. Let that be a lesson to you, brain. Feel the ridicule.

Second, I did want to give credit where credit is desserved, ecspecially after lampooning abyss2hope in the last entry. Not all people who have taken sides in this debate are complete and utter wankers when it comes to opinions and interpretations they disagree with. One site justice4twosisters, despite the name, has been very open and evenhanded about providing news links to the case and allowing commentary about it. This is despite the fact that some of us there are posting opinions contrary to what the blogger believes as to what happened at Duke.

That's a level of integrity that's not often found on the blogosphere in general, mostly because censorship is sooo easy. Delete a comment and it's as if it never existed at all. Someone posts some information that rebuts your point of view? Click delete and it's gone. Instead you've got an echo chamber where you're preaching to the converted and lapping up the praise. This tendancy is ecspecially great when the case is contraversial and when the blogger has staked out a position right from the beginning.

On March 14, 2006 two African-American women were hired to dance at a party by the Duke University Men's Lacrosse team. One of these African-American women was allegedly raped,sodomized, and racially terrorized by 3 white members of the Duke University Men's Lacrosse team. This site serves as a watchdog, information hub, and activism vehicle to ensure this young woman receives the justice she deserves. (It is our position both women were victims of a hate crime.)

I don't agree with that interpretation and even less now that more information seems to be coming out. That aside though, you have to give credit where credit is due even when (maybe ecspecially when) you disagree with someone's opinion. So a big thumbs up to you, song4assata.